Transfer grey card White Balance information from one image

[Chris]

Popcorn, I am not an expert in colour management. My understanding is that if you bring in a raw image to PSE with the PSE colour settings set to Adobe RGB then it will be saved in Adobe RGB. If somehow the psd file is now sRGB then there is not much benefit changing it back to Adobe RGB because the colour information is already lost. You would have to start from the beginning. Of course I could be wrong but this is my understanding. I suppose that the same would apply if you were importing a jpg shot in sRGB into PS Elements that was set to Adobe RGB; I don't think you would gain anything. A jpg file shot in Adobe RGB or an Edited RAW file would benefit from Adobe RGB.

Having said that, most monitors cannot differentiate the full gamut of Adobe RGB anyway. You will probably still get a good print in sRGB.

I would be interested to hear from others who can shed some light. Colour management can be complicated.

Kind regards
Chris

More information here:

www.photokaboom.com/photography/learn/Photoshop_Elements/color_management/8_color_management_Photoshop_Elements_color_spaces.htm

www.color-management-guide.com/color-management-photoshop-elements.html

[michelb]

Jan 9, 2022 15:56:38 GMT Chris said:

Popcorn, I am not an expert in colour management. My understanding is that if you bring in a raw image to PSE with the PSE colour settings set to Adobe RGB then it will be saved in Adobe RGB. If somehow the psd file is now sRGB then there is not much benefit changing it back to Adobe RGB because the colour information is already lost. You would have to start from the beginning. Of course I could be wrong but this is my understanding. I suppose that the same would apply if you were importing a jpg shot in sRGB into PS Elements that was set to Adobe RGB; I don't think you would gain anything. A jpg file shot in Adobe RGB or an Edited RAW file would benefit from Adobe RGB.

Having said that, most monitors cannot differentiate the full gamut of Adobe RGB anyway. You will probably still get a good print in sRGB.

I would be interested to hear from others who can shed some light. Colour management can be complicated.

Kind regards
Chris

More information here:

www.photokaboom.com/photography/learn/Photoshop_Elements/color_management/8_color_management_Photoshop_Elements_color_spaces.htm

www.color-management-guide.com/color-management-photoshop-elements.html

Chris,

You are absolutely right.

My old monitor died recently and the current replacement no longer shows the difference between color modes... I had better results in printing with a 6-inks HP printer for which I can no longer get cartridges...

I remember I did publish a tutorial to display the out of gamut colors in an image going from aRGB to sRGB... I'll see if my old memory is better to find it than my printer and monitor!

[michelb]

Jan 8, 2022 18:49:02 GMT popcorn said:

Thanks Sepiana,

Pity, but I guess Adobe want you to update the elements version.

Did you read my post about the workaround to update your recent pse ACR versions to 14.1 ?

photoshopelementsandmore.com/thread/8255/acr-update-pse-2022

[Sepiana]

Jan 9, 2022 16:26:02 GMT michelb said:

Jan 8, 2022 18:49:02 GMT popcorn said:

Thanks Sepiana,

Pity, but I guess Adobe want you to update the elements version.

Did you read my post about the workaround to update your recent pse ACR versions to 14.1 ?

photoshopelementsandmore.com/thread/8255/acr-update-pse-2022

Michel,

I also have Elements 2018 (the same version popcorn has). I also wondered if this workaround would work in this version. Here are my findings . . .

- The installation of the Camera Raw.8bi file worked.
- When I launched the Raw Converter, an error message popped up.
- I tried to re-launch the Raw Converter and got a blank screen.

NOTE: As I'm a CC subscriber, I just copied the Camera Raw.8bi file from the File Formats folder in CC to the appropriate folder in Elements 2022.

[popcorn]

Hi Sepiana and Michel,

I followed steps 1 to 6 on the update website (see attached image )
No Problems!!

I then went to step 7 and there was only one folder in the /plug-ins folder, Elements 10 ? (see attached image
)
Since Elements 10 I have used Elements 13 & 18, but they do not appear, nor is there a \cc folder.

Any idea what has gone wrong?

[popcorn]

Sorry Update Camera raw instructions file not added, see attached

[Sepiana]

Jan 9, 2022 18:10:40 GMT popcorn said:

Hi Sepiana and Michel,

I followed steps 1 to 6 on the update website (see attached image )
No Problems!!

I then went to step 7 and there was only one folder in the /plug-ins folder, Elements 10 ? (see attached image
)
Since Elements 10 I have used Elements 13 & 18, but they do not appear, nor is there a \cc folder.

Any idea what has gone wrong?

popcorn,

I also have Elements 10, 13, and 2018.

Your screenshot shows that you followed the Program Files (x86) path; this path is for 32-bit apps (such as Elements 10). Both Elements 13 and Elements 2018 are 64-bit apps. You need to follow the Program Files path.

C:\Program Files\Common Files\Adobe\Plug-Ins\Elements 13\File Formats\ . . .
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Adobe\Plug-Ins\Elements 16\File Formats\ . . .

NOTE: Elements 16 = Elements 2018.

[michelb]

I am not sure the workaround works for PSE 2018, it can't work with PSE10.

From memory, only the three last versions of PSE can be updated like this. The update doc was published in november 2019.

Most common errors in following the steps have been to specify wrong folder pahts (needs particular attention) and not deleting or moving the old .8bi file. Don't only rename.

Also, don't forget the old solution of using the DNGconverter.

[Sepiana]

Jan 9, 2022 19:15:57 GMT michelb said:

I am not sure the workaround works for PSE 2018

Michel, I may be wrong but I don't think this ACR update will work in PSE 2018. I tried again and got the same results described in my earlier post.

photoshopelementsandmore.com/post/92480

[popcorn]

Hi Sepiana,

If you can't get it to work, I most certainly won't.
So I will just live with what I have and not waste any more time.
Thank you All.