Histogram in Elements 2023

[popcorn]

Thank you both for your efforts on my behalf.

I have always done the crop in ACR as the first step in my workflow.
I always believed that then I was basing my ACR edits on the area I intended to incorporate in my final image.
It makes it easier to keep my editing focused on the important area.

I was also under the impression that the Histogram represented the data for the cropped area.
I have now discovered it does not!!!

[michelb]

Dec 12, 2022 14:24:44 GMT popcorn said:

I have always done the crop in ACR as the first step in my workflow.
I always believed that then I was basing my ACR edits on the area I intended to incorporate in my final image.
It makes it easier to keep my editing focused on the important area.

I was also under the impression that the Histogram represented the data for the cropped area.
I have now discovered it does not!!!

I don't see a mention of the main advantage of the cropping in the ACR:  It's non destructive.

Yes you have to get used to the new concept, but I must say that now it's ok for me. I think that in PSE2023, on my system, it's much more responsive. I'll have to search if now the GPU is used for cropping.

And I don't agree with the fact that the Histogram represented the data for the cropped area.

Just choose an image with shadows and light parts and change the position of the crop. The histogram will follow your crop movement and change accordingly. Do you see the change?

[Sepiana]

Dec 12, 2022 18:10:26 GMT michelb said:

I think that in PSE2023, on my system, it's much more responsive. I'll have to search if now the GPU is used for cropping.

Michel,

After I read this, I did some testing.

I have both PSE 2022 and PSE 2023 installed on two computers. The ACR Crop tool in PSE 2023 is indeed smoother, more responsive. I tested about 10 RAW images and the results were the same. It looks like the GPU is now in action here. Adobe to the rescue!

[popcorn]

Hi,
I am not sure I understand what a GPU actually does. I know it is is a Graphics processing unit and that it is part of the graphics card, but there my understanding ends!

I do understand that a Raw crop is non destructive, but as long as I don't flatten the image and seem to be able to back track and am able to alter my crop in the editor.

Michel, sometime ago I did exactly the experiment you described above and discovered that the histogram did not change to reflect the tonal distribution resulting from a crop.
It would be great if it did though. In the Editor you can get a histogram that represents a selection.

[fotofrank]

Here is the PRE-crop Histogram


And here is the POST-crop Histogram


I'm sure the Histogram changed.

[pontiac1940]

Dec 12, 2022 18:10:26 GMT michelb said:

the main advantage of the cropping in the ACR:  It's non destructive.

Thanks Michel. But I do not understand. 
I opened a poor raw photo (that I did not care about) in ACR, cropped it and opened in PSE 2023. I saved the jpg in PSE. Then I opened the raw fill again and it was cropped so I lost the original raw photo. (Well, I still have it saved elsewhere.) 
Do I have one of the ACR setting set incorrectly?
Thanks.  
Clive 

[michelb]

Dec 16, 2022 20:33:25 GMT pontiac1940 said:

Dec 12, 2022 18:10:26 GMT michelb said:

the main advantage of the cropping in the ACR:  It's non destructive.

Thanks Michel. But I do not understand. 
I opened a poor raw photo (that I did not care about) in ACR, cropped it and opened in PSE 2023. I saved the jpg in PSE. Then I opened the raw fill again and it was cropped so I lost the original raw photo. (Well, I still have it saved elsewhere.) 
Do I have one of the ACR setting set incorrectly?
Thanks.  
Clive 

When you crop, the 'cropped' area is dark and dimmed: you may not clearly notice it, but it shows around the selected area.

To get back to the original version, first select the crop icon (on the right, above the red eye one), click on the lock on the right of 'preset' to 'unlock' the dimensions ratio, or chose the preset 'Full' or click on the the icon on the right of the preset choice. The presets 'full' and 'unlocked' are important for a non desctructive workflow.

[fotofrank]

As Michel stated

[pontiac1940]

michelb
Thanks will look tomorrow..past midnight here.
Clive