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Post by arba on Feb 4, 2016 0:20:16 GMT
I'm using Adobe Photoshop Elements 14 and I shoot in RAW. My question is.... when I'm finished working on a particular RAW file in ACR, I click on "open image" to send it to the Edit Workspace. Once the image appears in the Edit Workspace, what exactly is that file? I'm pretty certain it's no longer a RAW file. Is it now a TIFF? If not a TIFF, then what? Thanks.
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Post by hmca on Feb 4, 2016 0:27:15 GMT
Hi Arba and welcome to PSE&M. Once you open your RAW image in the Edit Workspace it carries with it all of the adjustments you have made in ACR. It is then up to you to decide as to how you want to save that file. My understanding is that no designation is made until you make that decision. That being said, I have always considered it a tiff but I may be wrong.
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Post by Tpgettys on Feb 4, 2016 0:31:36 GMT
Hi arba , and welcome to PSE&M! I hope you find that you get any questions you have answered quickly and correctly. First, an image that is currently held in the editor workspace is not a file, and so it has no type. It is only when you save it that it again becomes a file, of the type you specify. Second, any filetype understood by PSE can be opened in ACR, not just RAW files. I hope that helps with your question, and to see you around here more often! |
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Post by arba on Feb 4, 2016 0:59:36 GMT
Well, thanks to both of you for the replies. HMCA... I think you may be correct when you say the file in Editor may be a TIFF, but I'm also not certain. TPGETTYS... I may have used the wrong word when I called the image a "file". I'll use the word "image" for clarity. I have used Photoshop CS6 for a number of years and with CS6, when the image goes from ACR to Photoshop, it immediately becomes a TIFF. Then of course I work on it and save it to whatever I wish. I was wondering if Elements works the same way.
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Post by Sepiana on Feb 4, 2016 1:16:13 GMT
I'm using Adobe Photoshop Elements 14 and I shoot in RAW. My question is.... when I'm finished working on a particular RAW file in ACR, I click on "open image" to send it to the Edit Workspace. Once the image appears in the Edit Workspace, what exactly is that file? I'm pretty certain it's no longer a RAW file. Is it now a TIFF? If not a TIFF, then what? Thanks.
Hi arba, welcome to PSE&M!
Here is the way I understand it . . .
The RAW file you take through the RAW Converter will come into the Editor as the original RAW file along with any adjustments you have done. It is not TIFF, JPEG, PSD, etc. Once your image is in the Editor, then, you can save the file in whichever standard graphic format you choose such as TIFF, PSD, JPEG, PNG, etc.
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Post by Sepiana on Feb 4, 2016 1:47:00 GMT
Second, any filetype understood by PSE can be opened in ACR, not just RAW files. Just adding some clarification for the benefit of new users of Elements who may be following this thread.
Not every file format supported by Elements can be opened in the Raw Converter. If you have a GIF file and you do File>Open in Camera Raw (File>Open as Camera Raw in earlier versions of Elements on Windows, File>Open>Camera Raw on a Mac), this message will pop up.
Also, if you have Elements 10 and earlier, you cannot open a PNG file in the Raw Converter. If you try this message will pop up.
Fortunately, Adobe made some changes concerning PNG files. Starting with Elements 11, you can now open a PNG file in the Raw Converter.
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Post by arba on Feb 4, 2016 13:46:58 GMT
Sepiana, thanks for your response. Well, this certainly has been an interesting thread as the answers have been varied. Sepiana, you stated that the image "will come into the Editor as the original RAW file along with any adjustments you have done". If this is true, I'm very glad to see that I will still be working on a RAW image while making additional changes in Elements Editor. This does however make me question why Adobe doesn't allow the image the same luxury in Photoshop CS6? In CS6, when the image leaves ACR and opens in CS6, it becomes a TIFF. I would personally prefer to work on a RAW image than a TIFF anytime. This alone makes Elements preferable to CS6, despite the fact that CS6 is far more expensive. The possible answer could be that there might be some new recent technology that allows an image to remain a RAW image once it leaves ACR, that wasn't available when CS6 was released.
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Post by michelb on Feb 4, 2016 14:59:48 GMT
Sepiana, thanks for your response. Well, this certainly has been an interesting thread as the answers have been varied. Sepiana, you stated that the image "will come into the Editor as the original RAW file along with any adjustments you have done". If this is true, I'm very glad to see that I will still be working on a RAW image while making additional changes in Elements Editor. No, that's not what Sepiana means: she means that the original raw with all adjustments is translated as an internal Elements image format into the RAM of the computer; it's exactly the same image format in memory that what would be in memory if you had made the additional steps of saving to tiff/psd and opening that tiff/psd file on the drive into Elements. The only difference is that you go directly to the editor without saving a big (and mostly redundant) tiff file on your drive. Note that for those with Lightroom and Elements, the standard way to provide the raw adjustments made in in LR to the editor is also to create an intermediate tiff file. There is a Lightroom plugin (Elemental by Daw Matt) which provides the ability to skip the tiff step and open directly in the Elements editor, just like in the ACR module of Elements. |
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Post by arba on Feb 4, 2016 16:53:55 GMT
Michel, thanks! Your comment... "it's exactly the same image format in memory that what would be in memory if you had made the additional steps of saving to tiff/psd and opening that tiff/psd file on the drive into Elements" leads me to understand that the new image appearing in Editor after being sent from ACR is indeed a TIFF or a TIFF equivalent. This totally makes sense. My main concern is that I wanted to assure myself that the file I'm working after ACR is either a TIFF or RAW and not a JPEG. So it seems to be the same situation as I'm used to in CS6, which is good. Thanks to everyone for the replies.
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Post by michelb on Feb 4, 2016 17:12:30 GMT
Yes, there is no compression like in the jpeg format.
I find the ability to 'open' in the editor without writing an intermediate big file on the drive is a major advantage for me.
Also, that intermediate tiff or psd file can be produced any time afterwards from the raw file plus the sidecar xmp file storing the edits. No need to waste disk space, it's just like in Lightroom, a 'parametric' editing.
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Post by Sepiana on Feb 4, 2016 18:24:39 GMT
arba - I am bit late joining this thread again but I saw Michel came to the rescue. He clarified what I meant.
Michel - Thanks! That's exactly what I meant.
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