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Post by fishrman on Aug 13, 2017 18:12:08 GMT
I have been using different versions of Elements for some time but I acknowledge that I am not very literate with any of them. My latest Ver 15 has just started to tell me some of my files are skipped when I try to transfer them from SD card because either they already are present of not supported. When I do a search for the files, I am finding duplicate file numbers and I think that is the problem but when I try changing the names of the duplicate file folders, it does no good! For instance, one of the files I tried to put in the catalog was P1020029, I changed the name to taylorizaac1 and try reinstalling it. Get the same error message and when I do a search again for the P1020029 or the taylorizaac1, it comes up showing the P1020029, so I can't seem to get rid of the duplicate unless, perhaps I delete the whole file but I really don't want to delete photos to get this done. Any help is appreciated! Just found this site and appears I should have about 8 years ago!
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Post by fotofrank on Aug 14, 2017 22:04:04 GMT
Welcome fishrman,
I found your question is a little confusing.
The Elements Organizer stores it's image information in a database called a catalog. It keeps track of all of the Images and the path to where those images are located. After reading your post, it appears that you are attempting to tell the organizer that the image is stored in two different folders and that will not work.
Your camera is not advancing to the next higher number. It may be that you left an image on the card and the camera is counting from that which is why you are getting duplicated images.
After you transfer your images do you reformat the memory card in the Camera? Is this a Panasonic point and shoot?
I would suggest that you put a blank card in your camera, take one picture. Put the card in your computer and rename the file so it ends in 999. So changing P1020030.jpg to P1020999.jpg
Put the card back in your camera and take a few more pictures. The file name should now be something like P1030001.jpg and you will not have the duplication issue.
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Post by michelb on Aug 15, 2017 6:20:19 GMT
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Post by fishrman on Aug 16, 2017 2:42:05 GMT
Welcome fishrman, I found your question is a little confusing. The Elements Organizer stores it's image information in a database called a catalog. It keeps track of all of the Images and the path to where those images are located. After reading your post, it appears that you are attempting to tell the organizer that the image is stored in two different folders and that will not work. Your camera is not advancing to the next higher number. It may be that you left an image on the card and the camera is counting from that which is why you are getting duplicated images. After you transfer your images do you reformat the memory card in the Camera? Is this a Panasonic point and shoot? I would suggest that you put a blank card in your camera, take one picture. Put the card in your computer and rename the file so it ends in 999. So changing P1020030.jpg to P1020999.jpg Put the card back in your camera and take a few more pictures. The file name should now be something like P1030001.jpg and you will not have the duplication issue. Sorry for the confusion. I am not trying to get images from two different folders but rather only one, my SD card. I don't usually do a format of the cards. I usually just stick them in my camera and start shooting a new SD card. I try to keep all my SD cards as backups, so I start with a new card when I get one filled up. I got a new Panasonic FZ2500 a few months ago. Prior to that, I shot a Panasonic FZ200 and still do for some photos. I think it is actually finding a duplicate file number and thinking it is the same but, it isn't the same! Prior to the fz200, I had a FZ18 so wonder if some of my old file numbers may indeed be the same as I am trying to upload now with my newer camera. I have about 15000 photos, so it is possible, I guess. Perhaps I should try what you have suggested with renaming but will I end up with the same problem? I always thought the camera was what decided the number of the photo and not the SD card? |
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Post by fishrman on Aug 16, 2017 2:43:06 GMT
Duplicate file names are not considered 'duplicates' by the organizer. forums.adobe.com/thread/2369986www.dpreview.com/forums/post/59972386Ask if something is not clear in the above link  . Edit: Glad to see you back... Yes, I read that and, unless I missed something, it didn't help me any. It seems to be saying that I shouldn't be having the issue I am having! |
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Post by fishrman on Aug 16, 2017 2:46:03 GMT
On a simpler note, is there a way to be notified by email about reply's?
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Post by hmca on Aug 16, 2017 4:09:21 GMT
Click your name Click edit profile Click Notifications You will see the option to set up various notifications This is just a small sample:  Check back if you run into a problem and someone will surely help you. |
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Post by michelb on Aug 16, 2017 7:37:14 GMT
Yes, I read that and, unless I missed something, it didn't help me any. It seems to be saying that I shouldn't be having the issue I am having! My answer just says that the issue you are having (a common one), is what is said in the error message. You are trying to import files which have already been imported. I know that is sometimes hard to believe, that's why I provide tips to verify that the same files are already in your catalog. That part is admittedly an advanced one, since it involves using the 'Search by details' options with different criteria (file size under, over - date taken before, after). The advantage is that you will necessarily find the already imported files and see the result. This will help to you understand what has happened and show you which import batch is to be checked. What if you don't find duplicates by that method? Then, yes, you'll have to search more: you may not find any duplicate file or you'll find files with the same size and date but for other image. The latter might happen for scans or dates modified in the metadata. I have still to find posts about such occurences. The 'import' feature from camera or card reader is used by every Elements user and most users rely on the Organizer to import only new files; they don't delete automatically the old ones or select manually the new ones. Since that happens without problem in millions of cases, I believe that the chosen criteria are good. Beside the issue you are having (organizer skipping files), most of the complaints are (or were in older versions, especially Macs...) about the downloader NOT skipping duplicates. The same method applies to check if the sizes and dates are really the same. Troubleshooting the error message: - Be sure your current catalog has no 'missing files' - try to import the files in a new empty catalog: you'll get the same message if the files are corrupted, and no message for duplicates. - Use the search by details option to find files with the same date and size as one of the files that are skipped - Check visually the result of the search to confirm if there are real visual duplicates - Select the file which is a suspected duplicate, and check the "Import batch" date. You'll be able to select all duplicates from that import batch. |
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Post by fishrman on Aug 17, 2017 0:13:13 GMT
My answer just says that the issue you are having (a common one), is what is said in the error message. You are trying to import files which have already been imported. I know that is sometimes hard to believe, that's why I provide tips to verify that the same files are already in your catalog. That part is admittedly an advanced one, since it involves using the 'Search by details' options with different criteria (file size under, over - date taken before, after). The advantage is that you will necessarily find the already imported files and see the result. This will help to you understand what has happened and show you which import batch is to be checked. What if you don't find duplicates by that method? Then, yes, you'll have to search more: you may not find any duplicate file or you'll find files with the same size and date but for other image. The latter might happen for scans or dates modified in the metadata. I have still to find posts about such occurences. The 'import' feature from camera or card reader is used by every Elements user and most users rely on the Organizer to import only new files; they don't delete automatically the old ones or select manually the new ones. Since that happens without problem in millions of cases, I believe that the chosen criteria are good. Beside the issue you are having (organizer skipping files), most of the complaints are (or were in older versions, especially Macs...) about the downloader NOT skipping duplicates. The same method applies to check if the sizes and dates are really the same. Troubleshooting the error message: - Be sure your current catalog has no 'missing files' - try to import the files in a new empty catalog: you'll get the same message if the files are corrupted, and no message for duplicates. - Use the search by details option to find files with the same date and size as one of the files that are skipped - Check visually the result of the search to confirm if there are real visual duplicates - Select the file which is a suspected duplicate, and check the "Import batch" date. You'll be able to select all duplicates from that import batch. ----------------------------------------- Ya, I happen to know that the "exact file" has not been previously uploaded. Yes, it is true the file number is the same but the metadata and photo itself is completely different. I am very bad about having one very large catalog, I believe. I usually simply upload the files into Elements organizer and then look at them and change them with editor etc. and do nothing further with them other than I may tag them if they are photos of my Gkids etc. Right now, I am wondering if I should try renaming the number, as previously suggested, on the sd card for the first photo on the card and, as I understand it, the numbers will then follow but I am not sure what number to go with to try that as I have over 15000 photos on my computer at this time. Hope that makes sense. |
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Post by fishrman on Aug 17, 2017 0:14:08 GMT
Click your name Click edit profile Click Notifications You will see the option to set up various notifications This is just a small sample: Check back if you run into a problem and someone will surely help you. Thanks!!! |
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Post by michelb on Aug 17, 2017 13:05:04 GMT
"Ya, I happen to know that the "exact file" has not been previously uploaded. Yes, it is true the file number is the same but the metadata and photo itself is completely different. I am very bad about having one very large catalog, I believe. I usually simply upload the files into Elements organizer and then look at them and change them with editor etc. and do nothing further with them other than I may tag them if they are photos of my Gkids etc. Right now, I am wondering if I should try renaming the number, as previously suggested, on the sd card for the first photo on the card and, as I understand it, the numbers will then follow but I am not sure what number to go with to try that as I have over 15000 photos on my computer at this time. Hope that makes sense."
First, thanks for your patience  . I'll ask more questions, sorry! This may help to reproduce exactly your issue which is a necessary step to correct a bug or to find a workaround. There are many situations where the duplicate filter of the downloader creates issues. What is clear from your posts: You are trying to 'Import' files from a card reader and you get the ambiguous message that the files to import are corrupt or already in the catalog. You do really know that the "exact file" has not been previously uploaded. You don't say how you do know, but an obvious reason is when you import a file of a newly taken shot on your card. If you have another reason to be sure, please explain. (By the way, I can't understand why Adobe is not able to tell which problem is the cause of the error.) You don't say either if you have tried the step to import in a new catalog, which is the simple way to tell which problem it is (corrupt or duplicate). A corrupt file will trigger the same message and prevent you from importing. Since the catalog is different, there would be no reason to find duplicates and you should be able to import your files. If you can import in the new catalog, it's definitely not a corrupt file. That leaves you with to possibilities when you still get the message: either a really corrupt file... or a bug in the Organizer! My guess is you'll be able to import in a new catalog, that's important to know. I also think that you have not tried to look for "size + date" duplicates in your catalog. That's the important information. 
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Post by fishrman on Aug 17, 2017 23:51:32 GMT
You are correct! I know it isn't "really" a duplicate as it is a photo I just took! For help to you, I just took a new photo before sitting back down to the computer. I tried uploading to my "normal" catalog and got the following error message: "The file already exists in the catalog. J:/DCZM/102_PANA/P1020068.JPG." My knowledge is not the best with Elements even though I have used it for years! I tend to try to take short cuts and get things done quickly and I know I should try to learn it much better than I do-----so, I literally had never set up a different catalog for photos in Elements 15. At any rate, I did manage to set up a different catalog and named it "Test". I then tried to upload the same picture to that catalog and WALLA! It worked! Sooo, do I now just have to start uploading to this new catalog?? Not sure the importance of trying to look for "size+date" duplicates at this point unless I am missing something?
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