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Post by cats4jan on Feb 29, 2020 13:25:25 GMT
BACK UP BACK UP BACK UP
Power button on computer broke and I can’t get on.
did I back up recently?
of course not.
all my recent scrapbook pages are lost.
hard to believe I was this stupid
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Post by hmca on Feb 29, 2020 13:31:41 GMT
Oh no! I'm so sorry, Janice. Turning on Time Machine right now.
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Post by michelb on Feb 29, 2020 14:10:06 GMT
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Post by Lillias on Feb 29, 2020 14:41:07 GMT
Janice I don't know anything about mac's but can't you get someone at the shop to try to recover the contents of your hard drive? It would be awful to lose your scrap pages.
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Post by pontiac1940 on Feb 29, 2020 14:56:35 GMT
Janice,
BillieJean is correct. If it is only your power switch then the hard drive will be fine.
Frustrating. Good luck.
Clive
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Post by cats4jan on Feb 29, 2020 15:32:06 GMT
I watched a YouTube about how to replace the power switch and one about how to remove the hard drive. These all-in-ones are great until something needs repair. Yikes, what a mess. I’m probably going to remove the hard drive and toss the rest - maybe I can find someone who can retrieve data. I’m too cheap (and the machine is way too old) to pay a repair shop. Data is important enough to mourn its loss but not important enough to spend money. Hopefully, I’ve only lost 2 months worth of stuff.
Just ticked off at myself. I know better.
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Post by hmca on Feb 29, 2020 16:06:52 GMT
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Post by cats4jan on Feb 29, 2020 19:03:30 GMT
For $5 to $20 I can purchase a “sata to usb converter” and can then connect my old hard drive to a different computer and use it like an EHD. Sounds like it’s worth the grief of removing the hard drive from the computer. (And, I can see me spending the $10. LOL)
When I started investigating this, I was kinda surprised to realize my Mac was 9 years old.
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Post by michelb on Feb 29, 2020 20:05:46 GMT
Many thanks for the link, Helen. This confirms what I have been suspecting. What the Lightroom Queen advises is to exclude the catalog folder from being monitored by Time Machine. That's exactly what has been advised in different posts on the Adobe Elements user to user forum. Victoria Brampton reports that for some reason Time Machine is supposed to ignore the catalog file in Lightroom. From reading regularly the posts in the Adobe feedback forum, it seems that issues in Lightroom are much fewer than with Elements. So, it seems logical to think that there is a technical difference which makes impossible to ignore PSE catalogs automatically (excluding a single database format file or a standard folder?). The dramatic results with Elements seem to be that Time Machine can create a ton of unwanted duplicates of your files and there is no proof it can protect you and restore effectively your library and catalog in case of a disk crash. Now, since I am not a Mac user, I'll ask questions concerning Time Machine with LR or PSE. With LR: I fully trust Victoria Brampton. Very little risk or no risk at all if you exclude the catalog file. But in that case, you must have another way to backup your catalog? I suppose you are using the built-in catalog backup in LR anyway? LR is able to reconnect your library even if it has been restored on a different drive. With PSE: I have never found any explanation about the reason why Time Machine sometimes results in creating tons of file duplicates. My guess is that the process used by TM implies masking alternatively the real location of files and showing the location in the backup drive. That may happen at the OS level and if so, there is nothing Adobe can do to prevent catalog corruption and wrong writing locations. Moreover, even if I can see how Time Machine may be able to restore both the photo files library and the catalog folder (if not used concurrently), I don't see how you could avoid having all files 'disconnected' if you have to restore on a different drive. I'd like to get testimonies from Mac users about what happens in this case. My guess is that you'll have to reconnect everything, which is far more difficult in PSE than in LR. |
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Post by hmca on Mar 1, 2020 0:49:19 GMT
Thanks, Michel. I am using LR's built in function to backup the catalogue so excluding the catalogue from TM as she suggests works for me. I trust her too. There is also an excellent LR support group on FB.
Mostly I try to keep things simple.
As I said, I don't use PSE anymore but perhaps some other members might have some input for you.
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Post by Andy on Mar 1, 2020 4:26:30 GMT
For $5 to $20 I can purchase a “sata to usb converter” and can then connect my old hard drive to a different computer and use it like an EHD. I've used these and they work well. That should be able to get back your data. |
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Post by cats4jan on Mar 1, 2020 9:20:50 GMT
It seemed only logical that something like that was available- that’s why I searched for it. Was pleasantly surprised at the cost, but then again, it’s only a cord so it shouldn’t be very expensive.
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Post by TB on Mar 2, 2020 0:19:05 GMT
Janice, not to worry. Sounds you are being hysterical a bit. If power button is jammed or stuck, you may be able to dislodge it by pressing it again (lightly, not forceful. last week I pushed the opposite end of the button). Nothing is lost/deleted unless you delete it. (in Windows and I'd assume in Mac as well there is a failsafe - do you want to delete the selected items Yes or No). BTW, I don't use PSE Organizer to do my organizing. Not since I lost my catalog back in version 6 or 8. I do all my organizing in Pictures Library and also some in Photo Gallery where I'll use straighten & noise reduction also. I can give you an example of my unique file system if you want to organize in the manner I use.
Good luck getting you computer opened and see for yourself all files are just where you left them.
I just took a internal hard drive out of an old Dell Studio computer that died on me years ago. It was sitting in my closet until I cleaned the closet last week. I intend to use somebody's idea of SATA to USB converter to find out what is in the drive and then use it like an external hard drive. It is much cheaper than buying one of those.
Please post when all is well with your computer, TB
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Post by xairbusdriver on Mar 2, 2020 16:01:22 GMT
I would never recommend using a 9 year old drive for backup. It's not a question of if it will fail, it is only a question of when.
Take it out, if you want, but just take the data off it and buy a new drive for external use. They are certainly much cheaper than they were 9 years ago, not to mention faster and with more capacity!
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Post by cats4jan on Mar 6, 2020 2:54:03 GMT
I did panic until I found there was a cord to attach to the hard drive. I am assuming the hard drive is ok and the problem lies elsewhere. No matter what, if I destroy the computer by taking it apart, it will be no loss. I got it free when FIL died. It was 2 yrs old, but barely used. I got 9 years out of it. Quite a bargain.
I plan on trying to get some files off the hard drive and then toss it. Never planned on using it to backup- it’s way too old
As for playing with the power button - I tried everything short of dismantling the machine. I’m now at the “take the computer apart” stage and try to fool with power button from the inside of the machine.
Better order that new computer - I’m about to create a pile of junk...
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