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Post by pipsternat on Oct 9, 2020 20:43:55 GMT
Does anyone back up their Organiser files to the Cloud? If so which one is best? I think 1TB should do it. Do I need to do this or use a SSD external back up instead.
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Post by BuckSkin on Oct 9, 2020 21:17:43 GMT
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Post by Sepiana on Oct 9, 2020 21:34:05 GMT
Does anyone back up their Organiser files to the Cloud? If so which one is best? I think 1TB should do it. Do I need to do this or use a SSD external back up instead. Hi pipsternat, I do have Cloud access through my CC subscription but I haven't taken advantage of it. I have two computers and I use the 2nd one as my back-up (SSD). I also have a couple of external HD drives; in a period of over 10 years only one such a drive went bad. As a side note, PSE 2021 comes with this new feature -- Saving to the Cloud. You may want to check it out. |
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Post by pipsternat on Oct 10, 2020 7:26:34 GMT
Thank you BuckSkin and although your method sounds good can you explain what these things are? Is there an advantage over SSD external storage drives? I’m not that sure about storing things in the cloud but at least it’s remote storage in case anything ever happens here at my property then my files and documents should be safe. |
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Post by pipsternat on Oct 10, 2020 7:30:39 GMT
Does anyone back up their Organiser files to the Cloud? If so which one is best? I think 1TB should do it. Do I need to do this or use a SSD external back up instead. Hi pipsternat, I do have Cloud access through my CC subscription but I haven't taken advantage of it. I have two computers and I use the 2nd one as my back-up (SSD). I also have a couple of external HD drives; in a period of over 10 years only one such a drive went bad. As a side note, PSE 2021 comes with this new feature -- Saving to the Cloud. You may want to check it out. Thank you for your reply and I have looked at the link. Do we know how much storage we can have, could all my Organizer files be stored there? Could I use Apple iCloud or would there be any issues? Thanks again. |
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Post by Sepiana on Oct 10, 2020 8:37:49 GMT
Thank you for your reply and I have looked at the link. Do we know how much storage we can have, could all my Organizer files be stored there? You are most welcome! According to the Help file, . . . Source: Save to Cloud |
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Post by pipsternat on Oct 10, 2020 9:00:41 GMT
Thank you. I don’t think that 2GB will be enough will it? I have around 18k of photos.
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Post by michelb on Oct 10, 2020 12:48:51 GMT
Thank you. I don’t think that 2GB will be enough will it? I have around 18k of photos. Just check by yourself. The only way to have a full backup including not only the media files (your "library") but also your catalog and the ability to restore to another totally new computer is to create a full backup from the catalog manager. I strongly recommend to do it on an external drive anyway, but you only need to start the backup process until you get the dialog showing you the necessary space. For my library with about 100 000 photos (126 000 items), that's about 750 GB. Now, the new backup process in PSE2021 clearly and explicitly only saves the catalog data. That does not include the thumbnail cache which is the main part of the catalog folder size, but which can be automatically recreated. My catalog size is exactly 3.85 GB for 83 files (I don't use face recognition) and the cache is 2.1 GB. So, the needed space is just under the 2 GB limit. There may be some compression in the process but I have not yet installed PSE2021 and tested it.
So, it's possible to have an idea about about your own space requirements before trying the process. On the other hand I would also check how fast your Internet connection speed to see if it's a practical solution.
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Post by BuckSkin on Oct 10, 2020 14:15:19 GMT
I would also check how fast your Internet connection speed to see if it's a practical solution. That is a good point and an important factor in any remote internet-connected storage method. If one lives in a rural area, even if internet speed is sufficient, you will most likely have a monthly "cap" on how much traffic your internet package provides; sending a few images back and forth can quickly use up one's monthly allotment. |
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Post by Sepiana on Oct 10, 2020 17:33:18 GMT
Thank you. I don’t think that 2GB will be enough will it? I have around 18k of photos. pipsternat, michelb already answered your question re enough Cloud storage, I'm just going to add some information. (Thanks, Michel!).As I said earlier, I get free Cloud storage through my CC subscription. According to Adobe, if I run out of storage space, I have two choices: 1) delete some photos to make space for others; 2) upgrade my storage quota (for a fee). Unfortunately, PSE 2021 users don't seem to have the option to upgrade their storage quota. Cloud photos need to be deleted to free up space. Full cloud storage (Help file) |
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Post by pipsternat on Oct 10, 2020 18:17:45 GMT
Well thank you everyone for your advice. I’m giving cloud storage a miss and going down the external hard drive route. Probably 1TB SSD, not sure which make just yet but will look into it.
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Post by BuckSkin on Oct 10, 2020 19:31:17 GMT
Well thank you everyone for your advice. I’m giving cloud storage a miss and going down the external hard drive route. Probably 1TB SSD, not sure which make just yet but will look into it. For several years, I have been using FREE Synchredible to synchronize an exact duplicate of my photo collection and all other files on my backup drives. www.ascompsoftware.com/en/products/show/product/synchredible/tab/descriptionSynchredible is a very versatile backup program and can be set up to duplicate a single folder, or an entire computer full of folders, automatically on any schedule you wish, or manually. It saves "tasks" that you create and some tasks can be automatic while others can be manual. I have never yet caught it making a single mistake. You asked = "Thank you BuckSkin and although your method sounds good can you explain what these things are? Is there an advantage over SSD external storage drives?" To better explain, first, self-contained plug-and-play external storage drives can contain either a mechanical Hard Disk Drive (HDD), or an electronic Solid State Drive (SSD - which has no moving parts); there are advantages and disadvantages to both. Although a SSD can stand up to a bit of knocking around better than a mechanical HDD, a mechanical HDD will usually give a bit of warning that it is due to fail, sometimes giving clues to it's demise years before the fact; whereas an SSD just quits without warning. It is yet unclear to me which is better for long term dormant storage; in a dry cool environment, I suspect the mechanical HDD would be best in this situation, as the solid mass of Solid State components tends to deteriorate over time. Also, regarding a HDD, although it is a task for the extremely mechanically inclined, the operating mechanisms and even the drive motor itself can fail completely and the storage disk and the data it contains still be serviceable; that is not the case with SSD. When shopping for a self-contained external drive, investigate whether it contains an HDD or an SSD; most contain less expensive HDD; and, just about all of them contain tiny "netbook" drives. For a portable external drive that is going to be constantly moved about and could experience a fall to the floor, a SSD would be the better choice. The biggest downfall of self-contained external drives is that they receive their power from the USB connection = not a strong source of juice and lack of current is a killer for electrical devices. The hard drive enclosures I linked to are just that, an enclosure where you can install whichever SATA HDD or SSD you wish; these enclosures have their own power cord and an ON/OFF switch. Another advantage of enclosures is that they will accept full size SATA drives or smaller laptop drives. If either component of a self-contained external drive fails, the whole thing is a dead duck; with enclosures, if the enclosure fails, the drive inside (and your data) is most likely still okay and vice-versa. |
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Post by Sepiana on Oct 10, 2020 19:43:09 GMT
Well thank you everyone for your advice. I’m giving cloud storage a miss and going down the external hard drive route. Probably 1TB SSD, not sure which make just yet but will look into it. pipsternat, you are most welcome! Glad to help. I have been very lucky with the Seagate external disk drives (1TB and 2TB). None has failed me. Knock on wood! |
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Post by michelb on Oct 10, 2020 19:50:35 GMT
You can't be wrong with an external drive, but I don't think an SSD is needed for backups. Perhaps you could get two conventional drives for the price of one SSD. Full backups are often done as a night job, so speed is not crucial. What would be different would be using an external 1TB SSD to store both the media files and the catalog for use on two computers. Having two different physical media in different locations for backup is an excellent choice.
I have not yet tested the 2021 version (I am waiting to be home with my main computer), but I believe the new "Cloud" backup of the catalog database will be a welcome addition. Advanced users already used a similar approach more manually. For instance, you could zip the catalog folder without the thumbnail cache to a dedicated folder in Dropbox or OneDrive after each editing session. Ten minutes for me on a low spec computer.
Of course, just like in Lightroom, only the catalog is backed up, not the media. In Lightroom you have to find another software to create the backup of the media files. The advantage of Lightroom is that if you have to restore to a new drive or computer, it's easy to 'reconnect' the files on the new location in the database. In PSE, the reconnect function is not adequate for a medium sized library. Only periodic full backups are my recommendation.
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Post by Andy on Oct 12, 2020 23:10:17 GMT
I strongly recommend using both local backups (USB or Network Attached Storage (NAS)) devices and also cloud storage. You can have all the USB drives in the world, but if they are all in your house then they are a fire or flood away from being useless. Unless you make a regular habit of taking a USB offsite to a friend/relative or a safe deposit box, then you don't have a good disaster recovery plan. If you don't trust cloud storage (and there are some valid reasons for that), the local storage covers you in the event something happens to your cloud storage provider.
I'll echo Michel's comments - SSD is not require for just backup. You don't need speed, just reliability. There is no reason to pay the extra price.
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