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Post by ipbr21054 on Nov 21, 2020 20:25:10 GMT
Ive purchased Photoshop Elements 12 7 updated the Camera Raw
Looking at videos i see the before / after preview at the bottom of the screen but i still see the tick box for preview at the top.
Did it not update correctly ??
Raw shown as v8.5.0.236
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Post by Sepiana on Nov 21, 2020 20:54:08 GMT
Hi ipbr21054 , I also have PSE 12 with the same ACR update. The only thing I see is the Preview tick box at the top (to the left of the "Toggle full screen mode" button). I'm making a wild guess. Could you be looking at a video on ACR in Photoshop? In Photoshop, there is a button at the bottom of the screen -- "Cycles between Before/After views". |
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Post by BuckSkin on Nov 21, 2020 20:57:31 GMT
Ive purchased Photoshop Elements 12 7 updated the Camera Raw Looking at videos i see the before / after preview at the bottom of the screen but i still see the tick box for preview at the top. Did it not update correctly ?? Raw shown as v8.5.0.236 I never use ACR; however, I do have Elements 12 (seldom ever use it either). I just now opened a random RAW file in my Elements 12 ACR; and, across the top-left of the window, it says "Camera Raw 8.5" For whatever it's worth, I bought my copy of E12 in a box with an install disc. It says Version 12.1.49334 I assume I could update ACR to a point, but I have never looked into it. My opinion is that all of this updating RAW editors to keep up with newer cameras is mostly a big money racket; a Canon CR2 file is a Canon CR2 file, just like a jpeg is a jpeg. I bet that if a particular RAW editor that refuses to open certain later model camera files were somehow fooled in the EXIF data into thinking the files were from an older "supported" camera, it would open and edit/convert them as good as any. I may very well just test that theory; I have a couple bought and paid for RAW editors that refuse to acknowledge files from my Canon 7DMkII; I will use EXIFTool to change the camera model to something I know they will open and see what happens. |
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Post by ipbr21054 on Nov 21, 2020 21:08:17 GMT
I bought version E12 because the Sony A58 needed to be in say E11.
Otherwise I had to use DNG and just wanted to use 1 programme etc.
Please open E12
Open a RAW image file.
Now check for which preview option you have.
1, Top of screen on the right is a tick.
2, Bottom right of screen are say 4 buttons where the first one looks like a letter Y
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Post by Sepiana on Nov 21, 2020 22:26:33 GMT
Please open E12 Open a RAW image file. Now check for which preview option you have. 1, Top of screen on the right is a tick. 2, Bottom right of screen are say 4 buttons where the first one looks like a letter Y I see what you mean. My apologies! I forgot it completely. PSE 12 doesn't have the second button on the bottom right; Adobe introduced it in PSE 14. This button enables you to "cycle between Before/After views". It's similar to the button in Photoshop I mentioned earlier.  |
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Post by ipbr21054 on Nov 21, 2020 22:38:03 GMT
So ive seen a few videos where camera raw 8.5 shows it ??
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Post by Sepiana on Nov 21, 2020 22:42:40 GMT
Can you post the links to the videos you are talking about? It would help us figure out what is going on.
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Post by ipbr21054 on Nov 21, 2020 23:09:17 GMT
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Post by fotofrank on Nov 21, 2020 23:48:32 GMT
Just to let you know - Those are both camera raw 8.5 for the full version of Photoshop not Elements.
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Post by ipbr21054 on Nov 21, 2020 23:55:51 GMT
Dam.
That would explain it.
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Post by Sepiana on Nov 21, 2020 23:56:25 GMT
Thanks for the links! They are very helpful in solving this mystery. As fotofrank pointed out, these videos are for ACR 8.5 in Photoshop (Creative Cloud). The Before/After Previews feature was introduced with this ACR version but only for Photoshop. ACR in Elements doesn't have the same features as its Photoshop counterpart. Elements gets what is called a "diluted" ACR version (without all the bells and whistles). Also, Adobe is not in the habit of releasing the same new features for Photoshop and Elements at the same time. Elements didn't get the Before/After Previews feature (button on the bottom right of the screen) until Elements 14 (shipped with ACR 9.0; latest update -- ACR 9.5).  |
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Post by michelb on Nov 22, 2020 8:16:14 GMT
Ive purchased Photoshop Elements 12 7 updated the Camera Raw Looking at videos i see the before / after preview at the bottom of the screen but i still see the tick box for preview at the top. Did it not update correctly ?? Raw shown as v8.5.0.236 I never use ACR; however, I do have Elements 12 (seldom ever use it either). I just now opened a random RAW file in my Elements 12 ACR; and, across the top-left of the window, it says "Camera Raw 8.5" For whatever it's worth, I bought my copy of E12 in a box with an install disc. It says Version 12.1.49334 I assume I could update ACR to a point, but I have never looked into it. My opinion is that all of this updating RAW editors to keep up with newer cameras is mostly a big money racket; C I bet that if a particular RAW editor that refuses to open certain later model camera files were somehow fooled in the EXIF data into thinking the files were from an older "supported" camera, it would open and edit/convert them as good as any. I may very well just test that theory; I have a couple bought and paid for RAW editors that refuse to acknowledge files from my Canon 7DMkII; I will use EXIFTool to change the camera model to something I know they will open and see what happens. Hi Buckskin, Your asumptions are based on a few very common misconceptions detailed in this Adobe paper. The only fact that is true is that it is indeed a racket from the camera manufacturers.
1 - raw file is not an image file like jpeg.
2 - CR2 raw files are not a single format, there is a different raw format for each new Canon camera. All converter editors have to do retroengineering to analyze the new format after the specific camera is in the market to provide a specific converter. Don't be fooled by the fact that as soon a new camera appears, thousands of users try to fool the converters by changing the exif with another previous model. That kind of works in very rare cases. Providing a converter as expected by users is also adjusting not only the file format, it's ajusting the default camera settings and effects stored as tags beside the raw data. Those are proprietary settings, and converters have to find their own settings to reproduce the original effect as well as they can. The result is often that many converters don't deal at all with supporting those camera preferences. Support for tethering is another customer requirement.
3 - Why don't all camera manufacturers don't use the same raw? Some do offer the non proprietary (free) DNG format in camera natively as their only or second choice. That's the real issue here. They are trying to convey the idea that they are very special and better than others. The reality is that most pro or advanced users don't use their proprietary softwares, but those offered by their choice of editing softwares, Adobe or competitors as well as free independent raw converters.
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Post by BuckSkin on Nov 22, 2020 15:31:19 GMT
The only fact that is true is that it is indeed a racket from the camera manufacturers.I don't doubt that. However, such thinking could very well turn away prospective camera buyers. I know that there are plenty of photographers out there, living on a big trust fund or otherwise completely free of financial worries, where such considerations don't even come into the picture. On the other hand, there are plenty of us who have to scrimp and save to pay for an expensive RAW program; if we know that a particular camera model is not going to be supported in the program that we have, that may very well be reason to avoid purchase of that camera. |
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Post by michelb on Nov 22, 2020 20:10:43 GMT
Year after year we do observe that the faq I quoted above is the number one. That's an indication that most users buying a new camera are interested about raw shooting but don't have a clear idea of what that means and implies.
- for all raw converters editors, there needs to be some delay before the availability of the converter update for each new model, and obviously new camera customers want the latest one. A few months may be necessary. Contrary to updates in the editing softwares, converter updates don't cover many new features or bug releases; they are motivated nearly only by the support of new camera models. So, most Elements or similar editors users don't change cameras every year and need the latest converter version.
- For the buyers of the latest camera models, they have to use the converter offered (generally free) by the camera maker or to wait for an update from other converters suppliers. Different situations for our friends in this forum concerning availability and cost.
--- Adobe Creative Cloud users (PS with ACR or Lightroom): they wait generally one or two months and receive the update which is covered in their monthly rate. --- Elements users: they may be lucky to have an update free available in the current year but they rather have to pay for the next PSE version. --- Alternative non Adobe software users have different update strategies. There is some delay.
So, since we fully agree that the cost to be updated should not deprive us of using the advantages of raw conversion, it's important to know the free solutions.
--- using the converter supplied with your camera. The converted files are saved in tiff format with max quality and managed by any software you are using. --- using free (and often excellent raw converters available in the market) to convert to tiff.
--- using the free Adobe DNG converter which is a batch converter for proprietary raw formats into the open raw DNG format that all raw editing softwares can read and edit. The delay for updates is the same as the one for ACR and Lightroom.
--- For those who have to wait a couple of months for the availability, shooting both raw and jpeg may be advised.
Also, when buying a new camera, it's good to check if the camera supports DNG natively and/or the availability of your editing software to support the new raw format.
So, there is no reason not to use raw on account of cost.
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Post by ipbr21054 on Nov 23, 2020 20:19:02 GMT
So I’m looking for some advise please.
I would like to know which versions of photoshop items have the new preview buttons bottom right of screen.
Also
The graduated filter tool in the top left tool bar.
I seen a Photoshop CS6 disc for same but nit sure if what I need is installed etc.
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