Jupiter and Saturn Image -- Cropping

[Inspeqtor]

Looking forward to the conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn last night I took 7 photos of them.  I put one of the images into Photoshop Elements 2020, enlarged it to 100% then cropped out a small section of the image to show the rings of Saturn then renamed the cropped image so I would not lose the full image.  Now looking at the cropped image on my computer screen the rings are smaller than they appeared when I enlarged the image to 100% within Elements.

What am I doing wrong in Elements that it does not look as big?

Please go to my Flickr image HERE then put your mouse over the smaller dot in upper left corner to enlarge Saturn by clicking two times.  Move your mouse slower if need be to better center Saturn on your screen.

Click on it again to take it to original size, move your mouse to the larger planet Jupiter click two times to go full size again over Jupiter.

Thank you

[pontiac1940]

Dec 11, 2020 16:22:24 GMT Inspeqtor said:

What am I doing wrong in Elements that it does not look as big?

Did you manually crop using the Rectangular Marquee tool? If so, the portion you crop out should be 100% , i.e. original Saturn size. 
However, if you used the Crop Tool that was set for a specific pixel size then it could/would be smaller. 

BTW, that's a very good capture of Saturn. 

[Inspeqtor]

Dec 11, 2020 16:40:37 GMT pontiac1940 said:

Dec 11, 2020 16:22:24 GMT Inspeqtor said:

What am I doing wrong in Elements that it does not look as big?

Did you manually crop using the Rectangular Marquee tool? If so, the portion you crop out should be 100% , i.e. original Saturn size. 
However, if you used the Crop Tool that was set for a specific pixel size then it could/would be smaller. 

BTW, that's a very good capture of Saturn. 

I used the crop tool.  Thank you for telling me the difference.  I had either forgotten or never knew you could crop with the Marquee tool.

Once I use the Marquee tool and make the lines around Saturn (or anything else) how do I do the actual cropping of that area?

I am assuming I would need to do a CTRL J before cropping the area?

Thank you for your help here and thank you for your compliment!

I was also very pleased with how well it turned out!!

[BuckSkin]

Dec 11, 2020 20:04:44 GMT Inspeqtor said:

Dec 11, 2020 16:40:37 GMT pontiac1940 said:

Did you manually crop using the Rectangular Marquee tool? If so, the portion you crop out should be 100% , i.e. original Saturn size. 
However, if you used the Crop Tool that was set for a specific pixel size then it could/would be smaller. 

BTW, that's a very good capture of Saturn. 

I used the crop tool.  Thank you for telling me the difference.  I had either forgotten or never knew you could crop with the Marquee tool.

Once I use the Marquee tool and make the lines around Saturn (or anything else) how do I do the actual cropping of that area?

I am assuming I would need to do a CTRL J before cropping the area?

Thank you for your help here and thank you for your compliment!

I was also very pleased with how well it turned out!!

I use the rectangular selection tool all the time for cropping; once you get the rectangle selection drawn, go to Image > Crop and it will crop to the selection.

You can do just as well with the ordinary Crop tool, with the advantage of being able to move each border to suit until it is like you want it --- JUST BE SURE to always set it to No Retrictions.

Regardless of how you crop, always save the cropped image with a new name; because, even if the file is a PSD, once it is cropped, it is cropped.

[BuckSkin]

I forgot to add --- if you make a selection, any selection, regardless of shape, and then CTRL + J, the selected area will appear on a new layer; this can be handy quite often.

[Inspeqtor]

I use the rectangular selection tool all the time for cropping; once you get the rectangle selection drawn, go to Image > Crop and it will crop to the selection.

You can do just as well with the ordinary Crop tool, with the advantage of being able to move each border to suit until it is like you want it --- JUST BE SURE to always set it to No Restrictions.

Regardless of how you crop, always save the cropped image with a new name; because, even if the file is a PSD, once it is cropped, it is cropped.

I forgot to add --- if you make a selection, any selection, regardless of shape, and then CTRL + J, the selected area will appear on a new layer; this can be handy quite often.

Buckskin,

You say you use the rectangular selection tool, are you referring to the Marquee Tool or the Crop Tool??

When I use the Crop Tool I do use it with No Restrictions many times, but sometimes I do set a size of like 4X4 which I did use for this job as I wanted the look to be square, but found when done I did not keep the size as it went much smaller with the CROP Tool.  Sometimes I may set a size like 4X6 if I want to print to the size I set it to.

When ever I make changes to an image I ALWAYS change the name, I never want to LOSE the original.  Once you change an original image without renaming it you can NEVER get the original back!!  It is gone forever!!

[BuckSkin]

Dec 11, 2020 23:05:24 GMT Inspeqtor said:

You say you use the rectangular selection tool, are you referring to the Marquee Tool or the Crop Tool??

When I use the Crop Tool I do use it with No Restrictions many times, but sometimes I do set a size of like 4X4 which I did use for this job as I wanted the look to be square, but found when done I did not keep the size as it went much smaller with the CROP Tool.  Sometimes I may set a size like 4X6 if I want to print to the size I set it to.

Rectangular selection tool and Marquee tool are the same thing.

Okay, lets say you want a perfectly square result, but you also want the resulting image to be as large pixel-wise as possible.

Use the Crop tool.
Select the square size setting, be it 4x4 or 5x5 or whatever; this will force your crop to be square.
Draw the crop to suit.
BEFORE you commit the crop, leaving the crop un-touched, change the setting to No Restriction and then commit the crop.
The results will be a perfectly square image that is as large pixel-wise as possibe.

[Sepiana]

Dec 11, 2020 23:05:24 GMT Inspeqtor said:

When I use the Crop Tool I do use it with No Restrictions many times, but sometimes I do set a size of like 4X4 . . .

Charles, you can also crop an image to the size you want using the Rectangular Marquee tool (shortcut = M).

Crop A Photo To The Size You Want In Photoshop Elements

[Inspeqtor]

Dec 11, 2020 23:45:50 GMT BuckSkin said:

Dec 11, 2020 23:05:24 GMT Inspeqtor said:

Rectangular selection tool and Marquee tool are the same thing.

Okay, lets say you want a perfectly square result, but you also want the resulting image to be as large pixel-wise as possible.

Use the Crop tool.
Select the square size setting, be it 4x4 or 5x5 or whatever; this will force your crop to be square.
Draw the crop to suit.
BEFORE you commit the crop, leaving the crop un-touched, change the setting to No Restriction and then commit the crop.
The results will be a perfectly square image that is as large pixel-wise as possible.

Hi Buckskin,

I just tried this.  First I started out with setting using the crop tool at No Restrictions.  That worked pretty good except I was not able to keep Saturn even close to center, but the size did look pretty good.

Next I tried cropping 4X4 keeping Saturn pretty close to center.  Before committing the crop I did change from 4X4 to No Restrictions.

As soon as I did click on No Restrictions the cropping lines totally disappeared.  No cropping was left.  It was not cropped.

What happened?   Didn't I do the same as you instructed me to do?

[Inspeqtor]

I just now tried using the Marquee Tool then Image/Crop and that worked splendidly!

[Inspeqtor]

Dec 12, 2020 0:06:45 GMT Sepiana said:

Dec 11, 2020 23:05:24 GMT Inspeqtor said:

Charles, you can also crop an image to the size you want using the Rectangular Marquee tool (shortcut = M).

Crop A Photo To The Size You Want In Photoshop Elements

Sepiana,

I liked Rick in this video.  How do I find other video's at his website?  This video he cropped an 11X17 photo to 8X10.  He said his next video he would show how to crop an 11X17 down to 8X10 without losing any of the image.  How do I find THAT video?

Thank you for this video.

I think I used to be on his mailing list years ago.  Is he still active?  I do hope he is.....

[Sepiana]

Dec 12, 2020 5:46:39 GMT Inspeqtor said:

Dec 12, 2020 0:06:45 GMT Sepiana said:

Charles, you can also crop an image to the size you want using the Rectangular Marquee tool (shortcut = M).

Crop A Photo To The Size You Want In Photoshop Elements

Sepiana,

I liked Rick in this video.  How do I find other video's at his website?  This video he cropped an 11X17 photo to 8X10.  He said his next video he would show how to crop an 11X17 down to 8X10 without losing any of the image.  How do I find THAT video?

I believe he was talking about this video -- Use Photoshop Elements To Resize Proportionally

Just keep in mind that his second video is not about cropping (the topic of your OP); it's about resizing (a different ball game). If you have questions about image resizing, it may be a good idea to start another thread.

I think I used to be on his mailing list years ago. Is he still active? I do hope he is.....

He has a channel on YouTube. However, it doesn't look like he's still uploading videos to it.

Rick Peterson - YouTube

[Inspeqtor]

Thank you Sepiana and no problem!

[BuckSkin]

Dec 12, 2020 5:23:23 GMT Inspeqtor said:

Next I tried cropping 4X4 keeping Saturn pretty close to center.  Before committing the crop I did change from 4X4 to No Restrictions.

As soon as I did click on No Restrictions the cropping lines totally disappeared.  No cropping was left.  It was not cropped.

What happened?   Didn't I do the same as you instructed me to do?

It may be that is a characteristic of your version of Elements.

I do it like I described all the time in Elements 7.

[Sepiana]

Dec 12, 2020 5:23:23 GMT Inspeqtor said:

Dec 11, 2020 23:45:50 GMT BuckSkin said:

Use the Crop tool.
Select the square size setting, be it 4x4 or 5x5 or whatever; this will force your crop to be square.
Draw the crop to suit.
BEFORE you commit the crop, leaving the crop un-touched, change the setting to No Restriction and then commit the crop.
The results will be a perfectly square image that is as large pixel-wise as possibe.

I just tried this.  
Before committing the crop I did change from 4X4 to No Restrictions.
No cropping was left.  It was not cropped.

I tested these instructions in all the PSE versions I have (on two computers).

PSE 7, 10, 11, 12 -- These instructions will work.

PSE 13, 14, 15, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021 -- These instructions will NOT work.

I can't find any Adobe document explaining the reason for this change.  I thought this change might be somehow related to a new feature introduced in PSE 13 -- Automatic cropping suggestions. However, disabling this feature (Edit>Preferences>General> . . .) didn't help.