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Post by michelb on May 16, 2018 7:49:28 GMT
Question to Microsoft experts: I just noticed that the latest Windows 10 (1803) update is beeing installed automatically in background task (94%) I have made an Acronis backup of my C: drive yesterday evening. If I have serious problems with that update, I suppose I could revert to the Acronis backup?
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Post by Bailey on May 16, 2018 13:19:29 GMT
Hi michelb, I am not an MS expert, but if Acronis backup = "disk image", then you should be able to restore that disk image to your hdd at any time to return your computer to exactly how it was when the disk image was created. Just one note - on my pc I have a C: and a D: partition on a single hdd. The D: partition is labelled HP_Recovery and I never touch anything in there, so in my case I would create an image of both the C: and D: partitions for my backup. Hope this helps  |
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Post by michelb on May 16, 2018 14:38:33 GMT
Hi michelb, I am not an MS expert, but if Acronis backup = "disk image", then you should be able to restore that disk image to your hdd at any time to return your computer to exactly how it was when the disk image was created. Just one note - on my pc I have a C: and a D: partition on a single hdd. The D: partition is labelled HP_Recovery and I never touch anything in there, so in my case I would create an image of both the C: and D: partitions for my backup. Hope this helps Yes, that helps.
By the way, that update was a disaster to begin with.
- About one hour (ok)
- Then a blue dialog to gather my choices about privacy protection.
- Impossible to enter my password for Windows (not a 'wrong password' message, but something about the process not working).
- Twice used the 'change password' feature - successfully without any positive result on opening Wondows.
- checking the BIOS options did not help.
- Trying an hour later did not help...
- A little later, I don't know why, my new password was accepted at last!
I am now testing the bugs with Elements.
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Post by Sepiana on May 16, 2018 15:38:49 GMT
I just noticed that the latest Windows 10 (1803) update is beeing installed automatically in background task (94%) I have made an Acronis backup of my C: drive yesterday evening. If I have serious problems with that update, I suppose I could revert to the Acronis backup? Michel, I always worry about Windows 10 updates and the potential for problems. So, a long time ago I followed these instructions to create a system image backup.
www.windowscentral.com/how-make-full-backup-windows-10
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2018 16:28:40 GMT
Michelb ---- Doing the Acronis backup was a smart move, I have used it personally for creating a backup disk image. If you happen to have a Recovery Partition, as Bailey mentioned, it's not a bad idea to make a backup of that as well. And yes, if something ever goes south on your PC, you can restore it to the date of when you did the backup. That process is MUCH faster than doing it manually. As far as the password question goes, I am assuming that you sign in using a Microsoft account, and not a local account on your PC (Windows 10 lets you chose what kind of account you set up when installing the OS). If you change the password of a local account, that password change is instant. If however you change a password of an account that resides on a network, like a Microsoft account, it can sometimes take 'some' time to replicate to the different servers around the world that validate that password when you enter it. If my assumption is correct, then after you changed your password, when you entered your new password, you kept connecting to servers that had your 'old' password. Therefore, your 'new' password would not work. When you tried again after the hour +, then your new password had finished replicating, and was accepted. As far as the 'process not working', honestly, your guess is as good as mine. There are times I really HATE Microsoft updates, especially when MS pushes them to your machine without giving you a choice, it always happens at the worst possible time. Not sure if this helps or not, let me know if you have questions |
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Post by BuckSkin on May 16, 2018 16:33:59 GMT
I am no expert; but, such is why I turned off all updates on all of our machines a few years ago and have none of the scary problems that I often read about.
That being said, a good system image backup plan is a good idea; however, I have found the absolute best insurance is to have a spare HDD and CLONE your healthy operating system onto that; thus, whenever a catastrophe occurs that cannot be easily solved, {with the internet disconnected} just swap in the clone, make sure the clone is working, then wipe the problem drive and clone the healthy clone onto it BEFORE reconnecting the internet.
This is all assuming that one has everything they want to keep duplicated on one or more separate HDDs.
Believe me, this is a lot quicker and easier than trying to otherwise solve a problem.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2018 16:53:00 GMT
BuckSkin - I fully understand the frustrations with updates, but just keep in mind most updates are security related, so never installing them could potentially leave your computer(s) vulnerable. There are a lot of people out there who apparently have way too much time on their hands, and just love to be a pain in our backsides. So the scary problems of updates may turn into the scary problems of Malware, Ransomware, etc
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Post by BuckSkin on May 16, 2018 17:13:33 GMT
BuckSkin - I fully understand the frustrations with updates, but just keep in mind most updates are security related, so never installing them could potentially leave your computer(s) vulnerable. There are a lot of people out there who apparently have way too much time on their hands, and just love to be a pain in our backsides. So the scary problems of updates may turn into the scary problems of Malware, Ransomware, etc I appreciate your concern; but honestly, I will take my chances with the slim possibility of being maliciously hijacked over the for-sure hassle of unwanted updates. |
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Post by michelb on May 16, 2018 18:39:46 GMT
Michelb ---- Doing the Acronis backup was a smart move, I have used it personally for creating a backup disk image. If you happen to have a Recovery Partition, as Bailey mentioned, it's not a bad idea to make a backup of that as well. And yes, if something ever goes south on your PC, you can restore it to the date of when you did the backup. That process is MUCH faster than doing it manually. As far as the password question goes, I am assuming that you sign in using a Microsoft account, and not a local account on your PC (Windows 10 lets you chose what kind of account you set up when installing the OS). If you change the password of a local account, that password change is instant. If however you change a password of an account that resides on a network, like a Microsoft account, it can sometimes take 'some' time to replicate to the different servers around the world that validate that password when you enter it. If my assumption is correct, then after you changed your password, when you entered your new password, you kept connecting to servers that had your 'old' password. Therefore, your 'new' password would not work. When you tried again after the hour +, then your new password had finished replicating, and was accepted. As far as the 'process not working', honestly, your guess is as good as mine. There are times I really HATE Microsoft updates, especially when MS pushes them to your machine without giving you a choice, it always happens at the worst possible time. Not sure if this helps or not, let me know if you have questions I do like your answer very much. For the password issue, I suspected something about servers not being available, that's why I decided to wait longer. I did not know the difference about 'local accounts' or 'Microsoft Accounts'; and I still don't know if I have a choice. I thought I had taken a max of safety measures as I expected the update soon. My Acronis disk backups have saved me in several cases. I have also an Acronis bootable CDs for similar cases. However, discovering that my computer was totally locked was a shock, and the perspective of going back to the previous OS version was not reassuring, knowing that I can't avoid the update forever. Thanks again for your help.
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Post by Andy on May 16, 2018 23:09:19 GMT
For the password issue, I suspected something about servers not being available, that's why I decided to wait longer. I did not know the difference about 'local accounts' or 'Microsoft Accounts'; and I still don't know if I have a choice. Michel - To find out what you have, go under Settings:Accounts:Your Info. If you are logged in with a Microsoft account, you should see "Manage my Microsoft Account" and below it "Sign in with a local account instead" (this is what I have). If you are using a local account, it will probably give you an option to sign in with a Microsoft account. |
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Post by Andy on May 16, 2018 23:12:49 GMT
I appreciate your concern; but honestly, I will take my chances with the slim possibility of being maliciously hijacked over the for-sure hassle of unwanted updates. I'm aligned with @swilliams284. I would be (and I am) far more concerned about the information security risks than I am about my PC having issues from a failed update. I can always recover my PC. Having my identity stolen, or my login credentials compromised, or some nasty keylogger installed on my machine are far more impactful and lasting issues. |
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Post by Tpgettys on May 17, 2018 3:31:37 GMT
I just noticed that the latest Windows 10 (1803) update is beeing installed automatically in background task (94%) I have made an Acronis backup of my C: drive yesterday evening. If I have serious problems with that update, I suppose I could revert to the Acronis backup? Michel, I always worry about Windows 10 updates and the potential for problems. So, a long time ago I followed these instructions to create a system image backup.
www.windowscentral.com/how-make-full-backup-windows-10
I can't get a system image backup to even start, and just read on the MS site that it is being deprecated, so may disappear unexpectedly. |
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Post by Sepiana on May 17, 2018 3:45:53 GMT
I can't get a system image backup to even start, and just read on the MS site that it is being deprecated, so may disappear unexpectedly.
I followed those instructions a very long time ago (when I first got Windows 10). I was able to get a system image backup created but I have never needed to use it. Now I am going to follow on Michel's and swilliams's steps, get Acronis, and let it do the work.
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Post by BuckSkin on May 17, 2018 5:16:57 GMT
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Post by Bailey on May 17, 2018 5:31:49 GMT
I have Windows 10 on my laptop which doesn't get used very much, except when I am travelling.
On it, in the settings panel I changed the Internet connection type to metered. With this setting, it says that only essential Windows updates will be downloaded and installed immediately when they become available. Non essential updates can be installed when I choose to.
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